AeA: Cichli: Disappointing?

I don't think so! This thread has been going on a while... so I am going to be adding stuff from dejanews that I don't already have in the coming days. (Inlcuding the original post if I can find it!!) Speaking of dejanews, did you know that they have a profile of every poster on USENET? Including what groups, how many, etc. Scary, huh? I looked myself up- over 400! Eeek! What other information do they have?? Enjoy. -dto

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This is all I could find of the first posting for now, a quote... I'll keep looking.
> : Well, as a long-time Autechre fan, I'm afraid I was very disappointed
> : with Cichlisuite too. I only really liked the last two tracks.
>
> : Disappointing for me, as I've really enjoyed every other CD they've put
> : out on Warp.
>
> : Still, I'll give it time, maybe it'll grow on me. I hated RDJ & u-ziq's
> : "Expert Knob Twiddlers" the first couple of times.
>

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Subject: Re: Autechre Cichlisuite - disappointing
From: - peng - <a.p.bettison-95@student.lboro.ac.uk>
Date: 1997/10/28
Newsgroups: alt.music.techno,rec.music.ambient
> Still, I'll give it time, maybe it'll grow on me. I hated RDJ & u-ziq's
> "Expert Knob Twiddlers" the first couple of times.

I hated Ae's chiastic slide and it took me six months before it grew on
me. Now I love it - so make sure you give cichlisuite a BIG chance :)

My opinions in cichlisuite? Loved it first listen, even though it
sounded a little shallow. Took me a while to see the depth. Love the
cover art too.

-peng-

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From: petter.ottosson@mbox200.swipnet.se (Petter Ottosson)
Date: 1997/10/30
In article <34566268.16A1507B@student.lboro.ac.uk>,
a.p.bettison-95@student.lboro.ac.uk says...
>
to me cichlisuite is mostly like things ae has done before. it didn't surprise
me as a new ae release usually does. pretty diaaspointing i am sad to say.
lets hope the new cd that is about to come isn't like that too.

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:00:04 -0500
From: jack <jacko11@telegram.infi.net>
Jeremy Wells wrote:
>
> >> but the damn thing was mastered MONO!!
> >>
> >> AAARRGGG!!! I CAN'T TAKE THIS MONO CRAP!!!
>
> I completely disagree with this. I think Cichlisuite is an incredibly
> good listen. As time goes on, Ae seems to be getting more and more
> interesting. The days of 'Amber' are past...
>

I agree with you... I *love* cichlisuite, especially Yeesland and
Tilapia. And Krib. :-)

I like it so much I started a tape with it, that I made for a friend. I
made one that started side A with Yeesland, and went through some other
Ae and Brian Eno, som FSOL, Leftfield, Francis Dhomont (from Storm of
Drones) etc. and then ended it all with Vletrmx from garbage. The A side
was "Warm" so had a bunch of peaceful, warm tracks, and the "Cold" side
of the tape was more mechanical, scary, sad.

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Subject: Re: Autechre Cichlisuite - disappointing
Date: 21 Nov 1997 17:59:34 GMT
From: gt3680b@acmex.gatech.edu (Beej)
Jeremy Wells (conflux@owt.com) wrote:

} I completely disagree with this. I think Cichlisuite is an incredibly
} good listen. As time goes on, Ae seems to be getting more and more
} interesting. The days of 'Amber' are past...

I like Cichlisuite, in sort of a weird way, but I *REALLY* liked Amber,
Garbage, and Anvyl Vapyr (spelling?). Anybody know any other bands in THAT
vein? (gescom might be a good pick?)

Cichlisuite is not dissapointing to me, I like it, but I feel that it
Autechre mabee haven't lived up to the high musical standards I set for
them after TR++.

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From: conflux@owt.com (Jeremy Wells)
Date: 1997/11/18
I completely disagree with this. I think Cichlisuite is an incredibly
good listen. As time goes on, Ae seems to be getting more and more
interesting. The days of 'Amber' are past...

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From: zak@azstarnet.com (Z)
Date: 1997/11/23
On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:27:47 +0000, Richard Urwin
<richard@inorbit.com> wrote:

>But 'Amber' was their best ever work... Can anyone suggest anyting similar for me
>to buy?

It's funny, some people say Amber was incredibly boring and
uninspired, some people say it's the best thing Autechre has ever
done. Who is right?

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From: cowsfan@NOSPAM.ix.netcom.com (Persinthia)
Date: 1997/11/24
In article <3478ADE2.60E4DF2B@inorbit.com>, richard@inorbit.com says...
>But 'Amber' was their best ever work... Can anyone suggest anyting similar
>for me
>to buy?

Only an opinion. I personally think 'Chiastic Slide' is their best work.
Sorry, though, nothing else really sounds like 'Amber'

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From: Ben Coffer <ben@hybridgame.demon.co.uk>
Date: 1997/11/24
I still don't understand this! Amber seems like their lowest point to
me...the least melodies, the least complexities, the least 'new'
sounds....it sounds like they rushed to get it out while spending longer
on the other albums...

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From: fsjakej@aol.com (FS jake J)
Date: 1997/11/26
I don't think it's their lowest point but Ae has mnentioned several times in
interviews that it was them trying to do a "non-autechre" album.

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From: - peng - <a.p.bettison-95@REMOVEstudent.lboro.ac.uk>
Date: 1997/11/26
Incidently, when I was at a live Ae show me and a friend managed to grab
a few words with Rob after they'd finished. Rich (my friend) absolutely
loves Amber, and asked if they'd ever play anything like that in a live
show, to which Rob replied "nah, we don't do any of the old stuff now".
It looked like he considered amber to be a little on the crap side,
something he'd rather forget.

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From: gt3680b@acmex.gatech.edu (Beej)
Date: 1997/11/26
But Amber was sooo HAUNTING!! Even some of the really simple stuff on that
album (can't remember the names of the tracks) was just gut-wrenchingly
emotional. That's what made that album great. Chiasic Slide (I'm still
absorbing it) seemed to me to abandon that quality in favor of a more
industrial emotive response, if you get my meaning. Not necessarily worse,
but staggeringly different.

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From: - peng - <a.p.bettison-95@REMOVEstudent.lboro.ac.uk>
Date: 1997/11/26
Agreed, totally. Oddly enough, my favourite Ae album always seems to be
the one previous to the latest release; I bought amber and loved it,
bought TR and Incunabula the next day (yeah, Ae really did grab me that
hard) but Amber was still my fave. Then Chiastic came out and TR became
my fave... but even so, I still rate TR and amber as equally 'good',
it's just that they work totally differently; amber is emotional enough
to almost bring you to tears (no, seriously), while TR is so deep you
can lose yourself in it completely.

Both excellent; even though TR is my current fave, it doesn't mean I
rate it higher than amber, it's just it gets played more right now.

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Subject: Re: Autechre Cichlisuite - disappointing
Date: 1 Dec 1997 23:26:31 GMT
From: gt3680b@acmey.gatech.edu (Beej)

- peng - (a.p.bettison-95@REMOVEstudent.lboro.ac.uk) wrote:
} Agreed, totally. Oddly enough, my favourite Ae album always seems to be
} the one previous to the latest release; I bought amber and loved it,
} bought TR and Incunabula the next day (yeah, Ae really did grab me that
} hard) but Amber was still my fave. Then Chiastic came out and TR became
} my fave... but even so, I still rate TR and amber as equally 'good',
} it's just that they work totally differently; amber is emotional enough
} to almost bring you to tears (no, seriously), while TR is so deep you
} can lose yourself in it completely.

Weird. I do the same thing with Orbital releases. Whichever full length
came out before their most recent one is the one I listen to the most.
Snivilisation right now. Do you think that kind of thing is a trend among
other people?

} Both excellent; even though TR is my current fave, it doesn't mean I
} rate it higher than amber, it's just it gets played more right now.

Hey, man, I gotta share somethin. I've been looking for another project
that did stuff like autechre's good middle albums, and I only just now
found it. You listen to Haujobb at all? Man, I got the 'Matrix' album on a
whim yesterday at Tower without ever hearing it before and it's GOOD!!!

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jack (jacko11@telegram.infi.net) wrote:
} now
} > > found it. You listen to Haujobb at all? Man, I got the 'Matrix' album on a
} > > whim yesterday at Tower without ever hearing it before and it's GOOD!!!
} >

} I have heard of Haujobb but don't know what they're like... can you give
} a description? :-)

Well I can try. 'db' said earlier that they used to be pretty industrial,
and from his previous posts he seems pretty knowledgeable about shit like
this. Said he didn't like 'em.

The one album I have expreience with is 'Matrix,' and its a DAMN good
album. I can see their industrial influence here, with the german accented
distortion lyrics that show up in the background on a few tracks, but
primarly it's stuff that reminds me of the Autechre singles that came with
Tri Repetae++, namely Garbage and Anvyl Vapyre (excuse me for spelling
them wrong, the cd's in my car). If you don't have those singles, I'll try
and give you a descent description. It's sorta like the stuff Orbital
would come up with if somebody replaced all the sounds in their sampler
with unorthadox stuff. Like, say, instead of using a harpsichord from a
keyboard, Haujobb would use a sample that sounded like a pool ball
bouncing to a stop on a marble floor. It's VERY much like Autechre's
middle albums. Not as unfocused as Chiasic Slide, and slightly weirder
than Amber.

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Subject: Re: Autechre Cichlisuite - disappointing
Date: 2 Dec 1997 06:35:09 GMT
From: "Shoggoth" <htoggohs[NOISE]@[NOISE]hotmail.com>

Beej <gt3680b@acmez.gatech.edu> wrote in article
<6600o1$gl1@catapult.gatech.edu>...
> jack (jacko11@telegram.infi.net) wrote:
> } now
> } > > found it. You listen to Haujobb at all? Man, I got the 'Matrix'
album on a
> } > > whim yesterday at Tower without ever hearing it before and it's
GOOD!!!
> } >
>
> } I have heard of Haujobb but don't know what they're like... can you
give
> } a description? :-)
>
>
> Well I can try. 'db' said earlier that they used to be pretty industrial,
> and from his previous posts he seems pretty knowledgeable about shit like
> this. Said he didn't like 'em.
>
> The one album I have expreience with is 'Matrix,' and its a DAMN good
> album.

<snip>

All Haujobb is good, its just that the style varies between albums so not
all people will like all their stuff. To me their best album is 'Solutions
for a Small Planet', The sound is similar to 'Frontline Assembly: Hard
Wired' (another amazing album), with an overall faster tempo. They also did
some remixes for 'FLA' on the 'Circuitry' and 'Plasticity' singles.

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Subject: Re: Autechre Cichlisuite - disappointing
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 22:11:10 -0800
From: "A.J. Wells" <ajwells@ix.netcom.com>
- peng - wrote:
>
> > Booth/Brown have gone on record admitting that Amber was a very weak
> > effort and they even considered stopping working after that record...
>
> On record where?
>
> I'm not questioning you, it just surprises me that they'd say that. And
> relieves me that they didn't go through with it....
>
> -peng-

Hmm... where did I read that? It might have Sound On Sound or The
Wire... it was an interview from a couple of years ago... anyway they
said that they felt that they had mastered their equipment and had
reached a dead end creatively... and that they had considered
stopping... they definately almost disowned Amber... its always strange
to hear that it is such a favorite of new listeners... such is the
nature of taste I suppose...

AJW

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Subject: Re: Autechre Cichlisuite - disappointing
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 02:43:55 GMT
From: vsvnarab@3-cities.com (VSVN ARAB)

"A.J. Wells" <ajwells@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Booth/Brown have gone on record admitting that Amber was a very weak
>effort and they even considered stopping working after that record...

Hrm, odd. I asked them about this rumor on the irc chat they had so
many months ago and they denied ever saying this.

VSVN ARAB