AeA: Autechre/Aphex Thread
Last updated 1.14.98
A rec.music.ambient discussion on over-categorization, words, etc. **
plus another thread on the end **
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From: josh cleary <jacleary009@sprintmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient
Subject: autechre and aphex twin
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:07:31 -0400
last night i was pleased to read all
of the posts concerning the newest
efforts by autechre and aphex twin. it comforts me to know that others
share my passion for the works of these premier artists. however i was
quite distressed by much of the discussion centering around the
'labelling' of their music. it saddens me to see people trying so hard
to attach a label to music that is valiantly trying to defy being
labelled. i remember seeing the words 'drill and bass' discussed (i
cannot remember who first brought this up, my apologies). this is a term
that i had never heard used before and my first question to myself was
"what the hell is 'drill and bass'?" it sounds to me more like
a tool
than a type of music.
i spend approximately 45 hours a week in a music store endeavoring to
describe what a particular piece of music sounds like. when it is at all
possible for me to avoid using labels, i do so. rather, i try to
describe the music itself. i try to describe the experience of the piece
rather than comparing it to something that has already been done.
musicians are artists and i would hope that in all music that is created
or performed, the artist will grow with the music. in other words, once
a musician has created something and found a niche for him/herself, they
recognize that their next work should not be a duplication of what they
have already done once, but a continuation or exploration of what
inspired them to create in the first place.
for instance, if you were to listen to Aphex Twin 'Classics' on R&S
Records and then listen to 'Richard D. James Album' or 'Come To Daddy'
on Warp Records, you would probably notice that they are extremely
different. however, if you are as devoted a listener of Aphex Twin as
i
am, you would hear that they have that distinctive Aphex Twin sound. the
same would apply to listenings of 'Incunabula' and 'CichliSuite' by
Autechre. i understand that it is extremely easy to use a label to
describe types of music, i do find myself doing it from time to time
when other means escape me, but it worries me to see music that should
have no label, music that defies being labelled, is falling into this
trap of genre. remember 'alternative' music? when i was in high school,
it was a genre of music that many unknown/lesser known artists were
experimenting with. it was supposed to be an alternative to what
everyone else was doing at the time. it was supposed to be cutting edge,
ground breaking. artists such as Jane's Addiction, Sonic Youth, Jesus
and Mary Chain, Smashing Pumpkins come to mind. but with the advent of
such things as Lollapalooza and 'alternative' radio stations (such as
99X here in Atlanta), 'alternative' became popular. everyone was now
alternative. and today we have such artists as No Doubt, Smash Mouth,
Meredith Brooks, Bush. do we want this same pitfall to happen to the
music that we enjoy? do we want to see artists come along and call their
music 'drill and bass', trying to 'copy' what Aphex Twin has already
done? i would hope not.
what i would like to see is more discussion about the actual music.
obviously, everyone that will read this listens to Autechre and Aphex
Twin. when listening to their music, how do you feel? what sorts of
things come to mind when you listen to or think about their music? does
the music conjure any images in your mind? what are they? has their
music ever inspired you to create something of your own that is not
necessarily music? these are the sorts of topics that i would be
interested in seeing discussed. hopefully someone out there will agree
with me and respond.
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From: lfiddick@sfu.ca (Larry Fiddick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient
Subject: Re: autechre and aphex twin
Date: 23 Oct 1997 03:31:35 GMT
josh cleary <jacleary009@sprintmail.com> writes:
>... but it worries me to see music
that should
>have no label, music that defies being labelled, is falling into this
>trap of genre. remember 'alternative' music? when i was in high school,
>it was a genre of music that many unknown/lesser known artists were
>experimenting with. it was supposed to be an alternative to what
>everyone else was doing at the time. it was supposed to be cutting
edge,
>ground breaking. artists such as Jane's Addiction, Sonic Youth, Jesus
>and Mary Chain, Smashing Pumpkins come to mind. but with the advent
of
>such things as Lollapalooza and 'alternative' radio stations (such
as
>99X here in Atlanta), 'alternative' became popular. everyone was now
>alternative. and today we have such artists as No Doubt, Smash Mouth,
>Meredith Brooks, Bush. do we want this same pitfall to happen to the
>music that we enjoy? do we want to see artists come along and call
their
>music 'drill and bass', trying to 'copy' what Aphex Twin has already
>done? i would hope not.
ok, perhaps there is too much discussion
of labels, but that aside...
regarding the above concern: 'alternative' was always a misnomer. those
bands
were never doing anything novel or experimental. they just weren't signed
to
a major label, that's all. the real experimentation was happening in hip
hop,
industrial/post-industrial, and techno. guitars and feedback? gee, that's
going out on a limb. try turning a turntable into respectable instrument.
one of the things i love about techno/ambient/post-industrial (you name
it)
is the unapologetic love of technology. artists in these fields were
experimenting with all the latest electronic gadgetry and incorporating
various sound manipulations while the vast majority of 'alternative' fans
were
bitching and moaning that rap and techno weren't music (most of them had
never
heard of nww, zf, h3o, etc. so they weren't prompted to bitch about them--
though i damn near got ejected for the campus radio station for playing
c93's
'maldoror is dead' in the late 80s, so when they did hear post-industrial,
they didn't care for it either).
so why am i not concerned about johnny
come lately's trying to copy afx?
because that's the name of the game in 'electronic' dance music right
now.
everyone is obsessed with 'how did he do that?', 'how can i make that
same
sound?', etc. but the 'best' are simply one step ahead of their imitators.
it's
the rampant plagerism that pushes innovation and forces the truly gifted
to
push the limits and explore new terrain. in part this is required in 'electronica'
because there is no 'image'. most artists are anonymous, faceless, or
at the
very least lack stage presence, so they can't simply coast on looks and
attitude the way the jesus and mary chain might have, for example. so
let
others appropriate the sound, if you are good and there is a steady supply
of
new and improved gadgets, then you won't sound like everyone else. you'll
be
out on your own, and people on rec.music.ambient or idm-list will be asking
'how did he do that?'
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From: s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu (wells)
Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient
Subject: Re: autechre and aphex twin
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:49:48 GMT
On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:07:31 -0400, josh
cleary
<jacleary009@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>what i would like to see is more discussion about the actual music.
>obviously, everyone that will read this listens to Autechre and Aphex
>Twin. when listening to their music, how do you feel? what sorts of
>things come to mind when you listen to or think about their music?
does
>the music conjure any images in your mind? what are they? has their
>music ever inspired you to create something of your own that is not
>necessarily music? these are the sorts of topics that i would be
>interested in seeing discussed. hopefully someone out there will agree
>with me and respond.
>
>josh.9.
i always see this "anti-label"
sentiment pop up now and again with
music. instead, people like yourself suggest we describe music via the
feelings, experiences, or emotions that it provokes. this is silly.
for, what a track does for me, it might possibly evoke an entirely
different thought or feeling for you. also, describing the feelings
gotten from music says absolutely zero about the style of the music.
if i want to know "What does aphex's come to daddy sound like?"
and
someone replies "It's a head trip." that really tells me zilch.
zero.
"head trip" could mean anything from Debussy to Pink Floyd to
KRS-ONE.
if i say "it's another drill n' bass noodling from RDJ along with
some
tracks with pretty, well-worked breaks" than someone can actually
UNDERSTAND the sound of the music. then they can decide whether to
check it out, and then further see what emotional response it evokes
for them.
labels are not bad. they are a means
to describe the sound of music to
someone. they are NOT a means to portray emotional responses derived
from music. nor should they be. such responses are personal. internal
and extremely useless to anyone aside from the individual.
>for instance, if you were to listen
to Aphex Twin 'Classics' on R&S
>Records and then listen to 'Richard D. James Album' or 'Come To Daddy'
>on Warp Records, you would probably notice that they are extremely
>different. however, if you are as devoted a listener of Aphex Twin
as i
>am, you would hear that they have that distinctive Aphex Twin sound.
that's bollocks. RDJ has no "aphex
twin sound." and thankfully at
that. if he did, he wouldn't as interesting as he is. you can't name
one or two tracks which embody "the aphex twins sound." he's
experimented with so many different sounds, so many different moods..
that's what makes the Aphex Twin what he is.
anyway. i digress.
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wells oliver : s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu
"perhaps all pleasure is relief" : w.s.b.
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From: josh cleary <jacleary009@sprintmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient
Subject: Re: autechre and aphex twin
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:47:31 -0400
hm. how to respond.
> people like yourself suggest we describe music via the
> feelings, experiences, or emotions that it provokes. this is silly.
> for, what a track does for me, it might possibly evoke an entirely
> different thought or feeling for you.
but isn't that part of the point? what
is a discussion if its not a
forum to voice their opinions? isn't part of the focus of these groups
to describe our feelings, experiences, or emotions, so that others can
read them and relate and discuss? i didn't think when i posted my
thoughts that a newsgroup was for grandstanding and exclaiming to all
"I
AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG!" if that is how i came across in my posting,
my apologies. i merely wanted to express my own humble opinion and see
if anyone had any similar ideas. (and some have. thanks for the emails!)
and i do not for one moment think that that is silly.
> that's bollocks. RDJ has no "aphex
twin sound." and thankfully at
> that. if he did, he wouldn't as interesting as he is. you can't name
> one or two tracks which embody "the aphex twins sound."
he's
> experimented with so many different sounds, so many different moods..
> that's what makes the Aphex Twin what he is.
bollocks to you sir! according to the
dictionary:
"sound /n/ 1. the sensation experienced through the sense of hearing;
2.
something heard: NOISE, TONE; 3. a musical style" later, "to
convey a
certain impression". thanks Merriam-Webster!
if you read my posting, i NEVER named one or two tracks that embody the
Aphex Twin sound. and i did acknowledge that the three recordings i
mentioned were all 'different'. however, when i listen to a new Aphex
Twin recording, such as 'Come To Daddy', i know that it is Aphex Twin,
whether or not it 'sounds' like his last work. to me, all Aphex Twin
songs leave certain impressions that trigger in my mind something
different than an autechre song would. this is how i identify 'the Aphex
Twin sound'. for others, this may not happen, but that is what makes
every person's experience of the music unique and well worth discussing.
experience is never the same from one person to the next and it is up
to
that person to take something from the experience and learn from it and
grow as a being. if i were to describe an Aphex Twin recording to
someone (and i often do) i would say 'it sounds like Aphex Twin. it is
his own 'sound' and the only way to truly 'know' it would be to hear it.
words do it no justice.' and if i have not expressed my thoughts clearly
here, then words do me no justice.
josh.9.
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From: dave <dto@iname.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient
Subject: Re: autechre and aphex twin
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:13:47 -0400
I am responding to both posters here.
josh cleary wrote:
> <SNIP>but isn't that part
of the point? what is a discussion if its not a
> forum to voice their opinions? isn't part of the focus of these groups
> to describe our feelings, experiences,
or emotions, so that others can
> read them and relate and discuss? i didn't think when i posted my
> thoughts that a newsgroup was for grandstanding and exclaiming to
all "I
> AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG!" if that is how i came across in
my posting,
> my apologies. i merely wanted to express my own humble opinion and
see
> if anyone had any similar ideas. (and some have. thanks for the emails!)
> and i do not for one moment think that that is silly.
>
I agree totally.
> > that's bollocks. RDJ has no
"aphex twin sound." and thankfully at
>
That is the dumbest thing I have ever
heard said about Aphex Twin!! He has a
sound. Despite experiments, you can always hear something that goes back.
It's
hard to define in words, because it's not simply texture or mode, it's
also
theme, content, method. I mean, there's a huge and diverse body of work
this
guy has put out, and you are saying we can't tell it from Autechre or
MuZiq?? I
mean, if autechre put out an all-acoustic unplugged album of Burt Bacharach's
greatest hits, would that change our definition of autechre's sound? Like
a
high number throws off an average? It's silly to deny that there are
developmental artistic threads running through a body of work when there
so
clearly are... and there are such threads so often. Artists who work at
random,
never building on what they have done and learned.... who are they? So
they
explore sounds, change over time, do different things, and those threads
remain, somtimes blurring into something else entirely over time. But
we can
trace that progression. It's not like an average, just take all their
albums
and add them together and divide by some magic number and the quotient
is the
'sound.' It's more complex. Autechre often take it real slowly, building
up
a track over many minutes, non-traditional song structure.
Josh you are right here.
> > that. if he did, he wouldn't
as interesting as he is. you can't name
> > one or two tracks which embody "the aphex twins sound."
he's
> > experimented with so many different sounds, so many different
moods..
> > that's what makes the Aphex Twin what he is.
>
Maybe we can't find two such tracks that
"embody" a sound. I am talking about
his work as a whole. One song can no more "embody" an artist's
entire sound
than "3" can "embody" all numbers. Each song is an
*instance* of that artist.
So we cannot find two such tracks. Now, we might pick two and say "wow
that
sounds really aphexish" or something..... but an embodiment, no.
It's all
pieces.
Besides, if there's no thread running
through all those many different sounds,
then what IS aphex twin?? Surely we are talking about the musician, "what
he
is" *with respect to* the music itself. There is something aphex-ish
about
every song.
> bollocks to you sir! according to
the dictionary:
> "sound /n/ 1. the sensation experienced through the sense of
hearing; 2.
> something heard: NOISE, TONE; 3. a musical style" later, "to
convey a
> certain impression". thanks Merriam-Webster!
> if you read my posting, i NEVER named one or two tracks that embody
the
> Aphex Twin sound. and i did acknowledge that the three recordings
i
> mentioned were all 'different'. however, when i listen to a new Aphex
> Twin recording, such as 'Come To Daddy', i know that it is Aphex
Twin,
> whether or not it 'sounds' like his last work. to me, all Aphex Twin
> songs leave certain impressions that trigger in my mind something
> different than an autechre song would. this is how i identify 'the
Aphex
> Twin sound'. for others, this may not happen, but that is what makes
> every person's experience of the music unique and well worth discussing.
> experience is never the same from one person to the next and it is
up to
> that person to take something from the experience and learn from
it and
> grow as a being. if i were to describe an Aphex Twin recording to
> someone (and i often do) i would say 'it sounds like Aphex Twin.
it is
> his own 'sound' and the only way to truly 'know' it would be to hear
it.
> words do it no justice.' and if i have not expressed my thoughts
clearly
> here, then words do me no justice.
>
> josh.9.
Right on!
My article on the subject of words/music/labeling
will be posted on my website,
AeA The AUtechre Archive, within a few days.... the site is dedicated
to debate
like this.
-dave, dto@iname.com
-AeA: The Autechre Archive:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/8542/Autechre.html (case
sensitive!!)
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From: db <kiliman@uiuc.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient
Subject: Re: autechre and aphex twin
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:40:57 -0500
> grow as a being. if i were to describe an Aphex Twin recording to
> someone (and i often do) i would say 'it sounds like Aphex Twin.
it is
> his own 'sound' and the only way to truly 'know' it would be to hear
it.
> words do it no justice.' and if i have not expressed my thoughts
clearly
> here, then words do me no justice.
Ok, there has been alot of interesting
talk about this in the past few
postings, but I want to try to take a stab at the above...
If you are attempting to describe Aphex
Twin and all you say is 'it
sounds like Aphex Twin,' than you have utterly failed. Maybe what you
are
driving at is that music is impossible to describe without hearing it?
Well, obviously that is not true. I can describe Aphex Twin to some
people by references to musical elements [rapid fire snare], labels
[melodic electronic], and bands which sound similar to some extent [muziq,
whatever, etc]. I use these elements to describe music and it works,
which I think is the most powerful argument of all [in this case,
philosophy majors fuck off ;].
You don't like labels? Certainly you
agree that they have their uses.
If I am about to purchase a cd I haven't heard before, I want to know
if
it's trip hop or DnB. I don't want the clerk to say 'it sounds like
[insert band name that I'm purchasing here], it makes me feel [whatever]
emotions.' That would be a waste of my time.
db
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From: Locke <locke@some.spam.free.place>
Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient
Subject: Re: autechre and aphex twin
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:10:04 +0100
db wrote:
> You don't like labels? Certainly you agree that they have their uses.
> If I am about to purchase a cd I haven't heard before, I want to
know if
> it's trip hop or DnB. I don't want the clerk to say 'it sounds like
> [insert band name that I'm purchasing here], it makes me feel [whatever]
> emotions.' That would be a waste of my time.
Well, labels may be helpful to describe
something in a short and
easy way, but they are not the only perfect method. If something
can be labeled easily it tends to be generic and boring.
Plus, if you haven't heard a drum&bass
track before, that label won't
help, either. Then it's like describing the new Aphex Twin as
Aphex-Twin-like - just additional help for those who have a clue already.
For those who don't a description of feelings would be better, even
when they would respond in a different manner.
When somebody describes an Aphex track
as Aphex-like, then I know
at least that it is a typical work which is better than no information
at all.
CU,
Locke
NP: F.M. Einheit "Sensation Death"
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From: josh cleary <jacleary009@sprintmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient
Subject: Re: autechre and aphex twin
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:05:38 -0400
i do agree that labels have their uses. i said that in my original
posting. however, when i want to describe an Aphex Twin album to
someone, i could stand there for an hour rattling off all of these inane
'elements' and 'labels' wasting my time and theirs. when the real
solution is to own the music and listen for yourself.
> I don't want the clerk to say 'it
sounds like
> [insert band name that I'm purchasing here], it makes me feel [whatever]
> emotions.' That would be a waste of my time.
recently, i persuaded a good friend of mine to buy the domestic release
of 'Tri Repetae++' by autechre. i described to her the last track on
cd2, 'vletrmx21'. several months ago, i 'lost' two very important people
in my life. when i felt insanity lurking behind the corner of my
unvented sorrow, i popped in this cd and put 'vletrmx21' on continuous
repeat. the following hour and a half i shed enough tears to fill a
river. afterwards i felt very relieved and a little more at peace with
myself and my losses. autechre's music stirred up my emotions enough to
allow me to confront them and deal with them on a very visceral and
substantial level. a few days later, she told me that she herself popped
the cd in her player and experienced the same sort of catharsis about
things that were bothering her. if this sort of emoting is a waste of
your time, then i am truly sorry for you.
josh.9.
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Subject: Re: autechre and aphex twin
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:37:00 -0400
From: jack <jacko11@telegram.infi.net>
Newsgroups: rec.music.ambient
josh cleary wrote:
>
<SNIPS>
> recently, i persuaded a good friend of mine to buy the domestic release
> of 'Tri Repetae++' by autechre. i described to her the last track
on
> cd2, 'vletrmx21'. several months ago, i 'lost' two very important
people
> in my life. when i felt insanity lurking behind the corner of my
> unvented sorrow, i popped in this cd and put 'vletrmx21' on continuous
> repeat. the following hour and a half i shed enough tears to fill
a
> river. afterwards i felt very relieved and a little more at peace
with
> myself and my losses. autechre's music stirred up my emotions enough
to
> allow me to confront them and deal with them on a very visceral and
> substantial level. a few days later, she told me that she herself
popped
> the cd in her player and experienced the same sort of catharsis about
> things that were bothering her. if this sort of emoting is a waste
of
> your time, then i am truly sorry for you.
>
> josh.9.
I think vletrmx does that to everybody....
god, that's got to be one of
the best tracks ae has done. You know, when I got Tri Repetae++ I didn't
listen to the second disc until months after I got it. I was so caught
up in the first one, I just kept listening to it! Then when I heard
Anvil and Garbage (especially Garbage) I was enthralled again. I mean,
TR++ is one of the best releases I've heard in awhile, sheer quality.
It
goes up there with Aphex Twin's SAWII on my list.
By the way, how did you describe vletrmx
in words? I'd love to hear it!
I thought it sounded like an emotion itself, whispered at first like the
first pangs of something, then a wave, just over and over again,
intensifying. It's so abstract and so direct at the same time.
I just got CHiastic Slide recently...
I'm having trouble getting it. I
do like it tho, I'll have to keep listening. :-) I love Cichlisuite to
death, and that took me a week to 'click' into it, so I'm willing to
wait a little while with Chiastic.
You know a song that used to do for me
what vletrmx did for you? Bjork's
"Hyperballad." I don't know why but it's just one of my absolute
favorite songs.
"I go through all this...
before you wake up
so I can feel happier
to be safe up here with you."
The last track on SAWII on the second
cd is a good one too.... and the
last one on Aphex's "I care" album. Why are last tracks always
so cool?
Like NIN's "Hurt" on The Downward Spiral. It's what an album
leaves you
with at the end, when you're done, like the last seconds of a film.
:-) Dave O'Toole
dto@iname.com
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:53:24 -0500
From: meta@pobox.com (mathew)
jack <jacko11@telegram.infi.net> wrote:
> By the way, how did you describe vletrmx in words?
VLetrmx21 is like a huge ancient abandoned
cathedral, lying forgotten at
the bottom of the ocean, occasional shafts of filtered sunlight piercing
the gloom.
mathew
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From - Wed Nov 19 18:14:15 1997
From: david rojas <drojas1@gl.umbc.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.techno,rec.music.ambient
Subject: autechre/aphex twin
I'm really into autechre/aphex twin...any
recommendations for anything
like them? Or just anything that's really caught yer attention lately?
thanx
dave
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From: brap@sonic.net (c)
Newsgroups: alt.music.techno,rec.music.ambient
On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:54:36 -0500, david rojas <drojas1@gl.umbc.edu>
wrote:
>I'm really into autechre/aphex twin...any
recommendations for anything
>like them? Or just anything that's really caught yer attention lately?
>
>thanx
>dave
>
Try stuff off of Isophlux... great stuff!
other labels to check out:
v/vm
schematics
skam
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From - Wed Nov 19 18:14:15 1997
Path: news.infi.net!not-for-mail
From: jack <jacko11@telegram.infi.net>
Newsgroups: alt.music.techno,rec.music.ambient
david rojas wrote:
>
> I'm really into autechre/aphex twin...any recommendations for anything
> like them? Or just anything that's really caught yer attention lately?
>
If you like Aphex, you might like mu-Ziq.
It's somewhat along similar
lines sound-wise. I've never heard anything else that really sounded
like aphex's songs, but now and then a sample crosses.
Same with autechre... tho I've never
heard a band/person that even
sounds like them. However, there might be and I just haven't heard of
course, because I don't listen to everything.
Also, if you like Autechre you might
want to check out my little
Autechre site! It's at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/8542/Autechre.html
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From: caesurae@mindspring.com (caesurae)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
article <caesurae-2612971311140001@user-37kb336.dialup.mindspring.com>,
caesurae@mindspring.com (caesurae) wrote:
>In article <349C9CD0.3E957A83@sprynet.com>,
Creaig Dunton
><pdaddy@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>>caesurae wrote:
>>
>>
>>> who else JAMS like this band?
>>>
>>
>>Not many...maybe Aphex Twin in spots, but they're pretty different.
>
>
>creaig, thanks for your input.
>
>regarding aphex twin, several others have commented on the similrity
to
>autechre. at the music shop the only disc they had was the 'come to
daddy'
>ep. i am beginning to get curious as to what _specific_ characteristics
>are similar / different, etc...
>
>any more comments you or others have would be appreciated.
>
>--
>NP: tre repetae++: disc 2 :)
btw, i noticed that my wax trax release
is spelled _tri_ where as my warp
release is spelled _tre_. i wonder which is correct? i thought this could
be a play on words, tri meaning three, as in the tre repetae, garbage,
&
anvil vapre. heh heh... somehow i doubt it.
just picked up aphex twin's 'i care because
you do' at a local unclaimed
baggage place for $3.50 (along with a scorn disc.) after the first few
listens, it strikes me as a bit more generic, repetitive techno, but i'm
gonna give it a few more tries. so far i feel that autechre's sound is
more unique.
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From: i203954876@aol.com (I203954876)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: autechre releases
>just picked up aphex twin's 'i care because you do' at a local unclaimed
>baggage place for $3.50 (along with a scorn disc.) after the first
few
>listens, it strikes me as a bit more generic, repetitive techno, but
i'm
>gonna give it a few more tries
F**K F**K F**K F**K , please listen to
it again. generic repetitive techno
it isn't. The only really danceable song that sounds remotly like techno
is
pretty original , with the little phaser cruch snare
>so far i feel that autechre's sound
is
>more unique.
try giving the RDJ album a listen , one
of the best and most unique albums
ever.
by the way , anything by autechre is
far more repetative than any aphex twin
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From: dto@iname.com
Subject: Re: autechre releases
> >
> >*Nobody* else jams like Autechre. They are in a league of their
own. A
> >lot of people mention them in the same sentence as Aphex Twin,
but I think
> >that's just an insult to Ae.
> I don't agree with this at all.
I love both autechre and aphex twin alot and
I
> own almost everything by both of them , but aphex twin is unarguably
more
> talented and original . The rdj album is what made me realize this.
Some
> autechre tracks imo are aphex rip offs , like the 3rd track on chiastic
slide.
> most of chicli suite uses aphex's bouncing ball clicking sound effect
> trademarks
>
Cichlisuite was released *a while* before
the bouncing ball track on Come
to Daddy. BTW I don't find much similarity between the two releases.
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From: i203954876@aol.com (I203954876)
>
>Cichlisuite was released *a while* before the bouncing ball track
on Come
>to Daddy. BTW I don't find much similarity between the two releases.
>
>
ok mr stars. Aphex used it on hangable
autobulb and the RDJ album , I didn;t
say come to daddy
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: autechre releases
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:44:41 -0800
I203954876 wrote:
>
> >
> >Cichlisuite was released *a while* before the bouncing ball track
on Come
> >to Daddy. BTW I don't find much similarity between the two releases.
> >
> >
>
> ok mr stars. Aphex used it on hangable autobulb and the RDJ album
, I didn;t
> say come to daddy
right, and squarepusher used those sorts
of fast drum rolls before afx.
and plug used them before squarepusher. and loads of other jungle
artists used them before plug....it's just typical drum n' bass snare
rolls done faster and with sounds other than snare drums. if anyone
deserves credit for those sounds, it's roland for putting a "roll"
button on the r-8 and dr-660.
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From: caesurae@mindspring.com (caesurae)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: autechre releases
well, i gave the rdj album a try, and i must say that after hearing this
and i care because you do i don't see much similarity to autechre at all,
with the possible exception of incunabula.
i just personally don't care for aphex
twin, although i respect their
work. interesting stuff.
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From: tangent@getonthe.net (Mr. Tangent)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:50:31 -0600 in the year of our Sword,
caesurae@mindspring.com (caesurae) unleashed:
>well, i gave the rdj album a try,
and i must say that after hearing this
>and i care because you do i don't see much similarity to autechre
at all,
>with the possible exception of incunabula.
The above Aphex Twin albums are not the
ones which Autechre sound
similar to. Early Autechre resembles early Aphex Twin (Analogue
Bubblebath, Classics, Polygon Window, Selected Ambient Works 85-92,
etc.). Around "I Care Because You Do" the similarities begin
to
dissipate.
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From: i203954876@aol.com (I203954876)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
>right, and squarepusher used those sorts of fast drum rolls before
afx.
>and plug used them before squarepusher. and loads of other jungle
>artists used them before plug....it's just typical drum n' bass snare
>rolls done faster and with sounds other than snare drums. if anyone
>deserves credit for those sounds, it's roland for putting a "roll"
>button on the r-8 and dr-660.
no , I'm talking about the ( I hate to
use the term ) drill & bass type sound
first. Plug is fucking horrible . AFX used the bouncing ball type sound
first
, like tempo speed up snare sound.
http://192.41.4.55/fugue/eleph/
no the roland r-8 and dr-660 don't have those. no , no , no. Even on hangable
autobulb he takes a section so small of the snare drum that sometimes
it's just
a tone.
http://192.41.4.55/fugue/eleph/
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From: i203954876@aol.com (I203954876)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: autechre releases
>and squarepusher was definitely doing
>"drill and bass" before afx.
well I think APhex is the only one actually
doing drill & bass. Even out of
all the squarepusher I've heard it doesn't sound as insane as RDJ's.
Squarepusher is just a little too traditional. RDJ's mutant jungle sound
is
very orioglhivcchkglhkvjgh