AeA: New Album 1998!
Whoa! Apparently, Autechre is due to release a double LP of new material on June 22, 1998! Here's some of the conversation (also check the Quick Question 1998 page, since one of the questions was "what would you like to hear?").
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Subject: Re: Autechre's Latest?
From: - peng- <a.p.bettison-95@student.lboro.ac.uk>
> I gather that Autechre have already recorded MORE THAN enough material
> for their next Warp album...should be along sooner than you think!
hopefully/roughly the second or third
quarter of 98, I was told.
From: speedster1@webtv.net (Greg Hill) Save Address Block Sender
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:39:06 -0700
To: dto@iname.com
Subject: Autechre New CD
What's up Dave, I emailed some guy at Warp, and he wrote back and said
that Autechre is going to have there new CD out JUNE 22!! with a cover
like the last album, and no title! thought this might help you when you
update your site.
Subject: Re: new Autechre album?
Date:Sat, 02 May 1998 00:28:31 +0100
From:-peng- <secondpeng**remove**this**@bigfoot.com>
Organization:Very Little
To: Ben Coffer <ben@hybridgame.demon.co.uk>
Ben Coffer wrote:
>
> In article <354539C4.3CFE66D4@REMOVE_MEstudent.lboro.ac.uk>,
-peng-
> <a.p.bettison-95@REMOVE_MEstudent.lboro.ac.uk> writes
> >j-v wrote:
> >>
> >> I saw a schedule saying there's a new
> >> Autechre release called "The Album"
> >> coming out June 22. Double-album,
> >> eleven tracks total. On Warp Records.
> >>
> >> Anyone got more info?
> >
> >'scuse my language, but ....
> >
> >SSHHHIIIIIIITT!
> >
> >June 22nd. That's nine weeks away. I'm impatient already.
> >
> >How come no news on the Warp site? *puzzled*. They're promoting
WAP100
> >which isn't out 'til the following week yet say nothing about
Ae.
>
> I know someone who has the promo........
> apparently sounds a lot like the style demonstrated on Cichlisuite,
> shame as i preferred chiastic slide more i think.
Hey, I can't swear twice in one thread
can I? So I won't say
SSHHHHHIIIIIIITTT! again.... (damn)
How the hell do you get hold of a promo? Any chance of a sale? *grin*
So if it's more like cichlisuite, does
that mean it's not as dark and
forboding as chiastic? More (um) rhythmic? I mean, I liked cichlisuite
(it's what my computer's called on our network) but would've preferred
something more along the lines of CS. Still, Ae are renowned for
changing evey album. I'll wait and see (with baited (sp?) breath)
-peng-
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:37:18 -0800
From: "Frank A. Wright" <fwright1976@nni.com> Save Address
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To: David O'Toole <davidotoole@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Autechre: Chiastic Slide/Envane/Cichlisuite...U.S. Versions?...
Some news you might not already know...
Yo, Dave!
Thanks for the info on the Autechre albums
from before (Chiastic Slide/
Envane/Anti). I got some news you might not already know, but since
you're up on things you probably do. :)
"Chiastic Slide" was supposedly
ready for U.S. distribution under
Nothing
Records, but that deal has fallen down the hole. What's the "Dael"
with
that?? :(
BUT, their NEW upcoming album WILL be released in the U.S. in May or
June under Nothing Records. The title has yet to be determined.
Anyway, thanks for the info on that "Rotator
Locator" thing on the web.
I found a record store, "Repo Records" not too far away from
where I
live, in PA. (it's only about 30 minutes away, no "further",
no sweat.)
I guess I will be buying those import versions of Ae after all. At
last, I finally found a place who has 'em...
This has been my "Second Bad Email".
:)
I'm about to Slide on out of here...
-Frank.
From: "erik s fredricks" <efredr@nospam.mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Autechre: what next?
If you liked Chiclisuite (I think it's one of their more "difficult"
works)
then anything since Tri Repetae should be good. Definitely check out Envane
and Chiastic Slide. If you can't find them, Warp-net.com can mail-order
all
their stuff. If you only have the single-disc version of Tri Repetae,
then
definitely seek out Garbage.
They also have a new lp due out soon.
happy hunting
From: aschrock@pubnix.org (aschrock)
Subject: Re: Autechre: what next?
Date: 8 May 1998 01:52:21 GMT
Ok, you *really* think that cichlisuite is more acessable than, say,
chiastic slide? IMO cichlisuite is much more dancy (if i can use that
term
without being shat on on all sides) and accessable than any of their other
ventures, minus the first LP. (which I forget the name of at the moment)
From: "erik s fredricks" <efredr@nospam.mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Autechre: what next?
Don't know about you, but Chiastic Slide is pretty disturbing to me (I
only
mean that as a compliment BTW), but Chiclisuite bounces all over the damn
place and takes more than a little patience to get into (I also mean that
as
a compliment). Incunabula is all 4/4 and easy enough, but their output
the
last two years has really challenged the listener, and I admire them for
taking that chance, because it's also been alot more rewarding. If this
guy
grooves on Chiclisuite, then I doubt even Merzbow could scare him off...
ef
Subject: Re: Autechre: what next?
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 01:17:21 +0100
From: -peng- <secondpeng**remove**this**@bigfoot.com>
Steven E. Fritz wrote:
>
> I like "wet," melodic sounds better than "dry"
noise, so I really liked
> Incannubula much, much better than tri repetae.
But... doesn't incunabula sound somewhat...
I dunno, I wanted to say
'dated', but that's wrong; It sounds like an 'inexperienced' autechre,
like autechre before they found their sound. Too bleepy, too much like
cheesy techno.
Don't get me wrong, I like incunabula,
it's just not my fave of Ae's
recordings. If they'd stayed with the incunabulean sound, I would've
liked them, but not been a fan as such. It was amber (my first Ae) and
the recordings from then on that really got me into Ae heavily...
Subject: Re: Autechre: what next? and Autechre vs. Aphex Twin...
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 01:13:27 -0400
From: Nick Storring <storring@ionline.net>
I agree with peng, it does sound too dated... I enjoy tracks like "Bike"
and
some of the others but I really like Amber, Envane, Garbage and Anvil
Vapre... Chiastic Slide was pretty good too, but I found Tri Repetae (without
the 2 eps) sort of boring in parts.
All of their albums are pretty damn good though. I think that I'll even
risk
starting a new thread by saying that their music is by far better and
more
complex than Aphex Twin!!
nick storring
From: cowsfan@NOSPAN.ix.netcom.com (Persi)
My two favorite Ae albums are Incunabula and Chiastic Slide. From one
extreme
to the other. I just love the lush melodic sounds on Incunabula that
obviously influenced the likes of Bola and Boards Of Canada.
From: -peng- <secondpeng**remove**this**@bigfoot.com>
Ok, I haven't read this NG for a while so kill me if this is old news:
Recently while listening to "Yeesland"
it suddenly dawned on me: the
song is actually a remix of "Lost" from Anti EP... the beat
in the
beginning is identical, part of the chords are identical etc. etc.
I have only seen speculations that Cichlisuite
contains mixes of songs
from Chiastic Slide (or that they are all mixes of "Cichli")
but clearly
this is not the case. Does anyone have any ideas what other Ae songs the
rest of the Cichlisuite tracks are remixes of?
Subject: Re: Cichlisuite remixing what?
From: jack <jacko11@telegram.infi.net>
> Recently while listening to "Yeesland" it suddenly dawned
on me: the
> song is actually a remix of "Lost" from Anti EP... the
beat in the
> beginning is identical, part of the chords are identical etc. etc.
Well, the basic groove at the start seems
to have a somewhat similar
feel, and they're at around the same speed I think, but I don't see any
other similarities at all! "Lost" has a distinctly minor-key
feel to the
cadence, and the groove stays pretty much the same through the song. One
of my favorite tracks by the way. But it sounds to me like all
yeesland's chords are major, and every aspect of the sound and beat
mutates throughout the song, especially the high-frequency hissing and
clicking. The low end also changes grooves.
I think that Yeesland is about as much of a remix of Lost as Cichlisuite
is a remix of Cichli, which is virtually not at all. The jumpy melodic
style of "Cichli" shows up on "Krib" but the melody
itself is
different-- other than that, there aren't too many similarities that I'm
aware of.
From: hussies maul worm kit <*******@ix.netcom.com>
jack wrote:
> I think that Yeesland is about as much of a remix of Lost as Cichlisuite
> is a remix of Cichli, which is virtually not at all. The jumpy melodic
> style of "Cichli" shows up on "Krib" but the
melody itself is
> different-- other than that, there aren't too many similarities that
I'm
> aware of.
there are just a few recognizable elements
of cichli on the
remixes...ocacasionally a sound from the original song will show up. one
of the most recognizable ones is the sort of "main" keyboard
sound from
cichli which is on two or three of the remixes. the tracks on
cichlisuite sound about as much like cichli as ae's remixes usually
sound like the originals...i/e not much at all
From: Michael Upton <username@sans.vuw.acDOGMONKEY!.nz>
On Mon, 11 May 1998, -peng- wrote:
| I thought I was gonna get picked up
on 'incunabula', a derivative
| (derivator?) of 'incunabulean', something from the beginning of
| everything, or (bizzarely enough) anything to do with the beginning
of
| the printing press [1]
You obviously use too recent (and/or
too American, given they're Brits?) a
dictionary... "incunabula", meaning exactly what you attribute
to
"incunabulean" is in my shorter Oxford at home. I'm anal too.
:-)
| Uh huh, that's true. A chiastic slide
is some musical thing to fade
| tracks in and out, isn't it? Something like that... Dunno if it has
| anything to do with 'chiasm', which is something to do with diagonals,
| or diagonal lines[2] (I think).
A "chiasmus" is a literary
term for a phrase that mirrors itself
structurally. Not a palendrome, just the syntax. I can't think of an
example off hand.
Re: "chiastic slide" as a musical
term, I presume you're referring to the
Wire article where they say it's a reference to the crossfader on a disco
mixer.
From: Jesper Larsson <Jesper.Larsson@dna.lu.se>
Michael Upton <username@sans.vuw.acDOGMONKEY!.nz> skriver:
>On Mon, 11 May 1998, -peng- wrote:
[something about "incunabula"]
>You obviously use too recent (and/or
too American, given they're Brits?) a
>dictionary... "incunabula", meaning exactly what you attribute
to
>"incunabulean" is in my shorter Oxford at home. I'm anal
too. :-)
As far as I can see from http://www.nd.edu/~archives/latgramm.htm,
"incunabula" in general simply means "source, origin".
Cunabula means
cradle.
Also, I think "tri repetae"
may very well be correct latin, possibly
meaning "things that are seeked for three times" or something
like
that.
[about "chiastic slide"]
There is one use of the exact word "chiastic"
in Encyclop?dia
Britannica, in the article on "The Art of Sculpture: Principles of
Design", but they have put quotation marks around it:
'The principles that govern the characteristic
poses and spatial
compositions of upright figures in different styles of sculpture
are formulated with reference to axes and the four cardinal planes:
for example, [...] in standing Greek sculpture of the Classical
period the frequently used balanced "chiastic" pose (stance
in
which the body weight is taken principally on one leg, thereby
creating a contrast of tension and relaxation between the opposite
sides of a figure).'
/Jesper
From: -peng- <secondpeng**remove**this**@bigfoot.com>
> You obviously use too recent (and/or too American, given they're
Brits?) a
Yipe! I'm a brit!
> dictionary... "incunabula",
meaning exactly what you attribute to
> "incunabulean" is in my shorter Oxford at home. I'm anal
too. :-)
Actually, I think I may have got confused,
and it was 'incunabula' that
I saw in the dictionary. It probably is in a lot of dictionaries, but
I
like using the big one (I think it's Oxford) in the library cos it's
more likely to contain all those really obscure words...
> | Uh huh, that's true. A chiastic slide is some musical thing to
fade
> | tracks in and out, isn't it? Something like that... Dunno if it
has
> | anything to do with 'chiasm', which is something to do with diagonals,
> | or diagonal lines[2] (I think).
>
> A "chiasmus" is a literary term for a phrase that mirrors
itself
> structurally. Not a palendrome, just the syntax. I can't think of
an
> example off hand.
Just the syntax? As in nouns and verbs?
I'm a bit confused... but
interested. Could you post an example if you can think of one (Yeah, I
know, this thread is veering off topic).
> Re: "chiastic slide" as a musical term, I presume you're
referring to the
> Wire article where they say it's a reference to the crossfader on
a disco
> mixer.
Yeah, something like that... "...chiastic
slide, the title a cryptic
reference to the mercurial qualities of the crossfader". After looking
it up instead of trusting my inferior memory, I see that it isn't really
a definition anyway.
Subject: Re: new Autechre album?
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:36:09 -0400
From: jack <jacko11@telegram.infi.net>
> > anything to do with 'chiasm', which is something to do with
diagonals,
> > or diagonal lines[2] (I think).
I got out a dictionary!
Chiasm is "a crossing or intersection".
It can also be spelled
"chiasma". This seems consistent with most of the album's tracks
changing slowly from one thing to another, for instance, the rhythm of
track one or "Calbruc" which goes from industrial machine loop
to
child's toy chime over the course of four minutes.
There's also the related "chiasmus",
which is "a rhetorical inversion of
the second of two parallel structures."
For adjective forms, it lists "chiasmic",
"chiasmatic", and "chiasmal",
but not "chiastic", though I'm sure nobody would question the
variant.
Roots from the Greek:
"khiasma" = cross-piece
"khiazein" = to mark with an X
> chiastic means unpredictable or tempremental. so a chiastic slide
That's stochastic, not chiastic. Stochastic
means "of, or relating to,
or marked by conjecture" or "involving or containing a random
variable
or variables." For example, in mathematics, stochastic processes.
Maybe "chiastic" is a combination
of these two words, I dunno.
From : Ben Coffer <ben@hybridgame.demon.co.uk>
In article <35564391.59A92D7E@bigfoot.com>, -peng- <secondpeng**remove**
this**@bigfoot.com> writes
>Don't get me wrong, I like incunabula, it's just not my fave of Ae's
>recordings. If they'd stayed with the incunabulean sound, I would've
>liked them, but not been a fan as such. It was amber (my first Ae)
and
>the recordings from then on that really got me into Ae heavily...
Hmmm...i dunno....you inexperienced Autechre fans ;)
I think the first thing I got was the 3x10" Basscadets when they
came out, and then Incunabula....and i still think they're excellent.
Incunabula sounds dated....but if you heard it when it came out, you'd
still have those memories of first hearing it....and not much else
sounded like it when it came out....except for the usual culprits
such as black dog and aphex...the last track is always pretty good
really. And "Doctrine" is quite cool too really...
From: -peng- <secondpeng**remove**this**@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: new Autechre album?
jack wrote:
>
> > > anything to do with 'chiasm', which is something to do
with diagonals,
> > > or diagonal lines[2] (I think).
>
> I got out a dictionary!
Yeah! (why didn't I do that? Too damn
lazy to walk to the library, I
think... And it's only about a hundred yards walk)
> Chiasm is "a crossing or intersection". It can also be
spelled
> "chiasma". This seems consistent with most of the album's
tracks
> changing slowly from one thing to another, for instance, the rhythm
of
> track one or "Calbruc" which goes from industrial machine
loop to
> child's toy chime over the course of four minutes.
So I was close. I made the same kinda
conclusion when I got the
definition; but then again, many of Ae's tracks do that slow changing
thing...
Anyone discovered any other interesting
meanings behind Ae track names?
I might just wander down the library tomorrow with a list, see what
comes up.
From: hussies maul worm kit <*******@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: new Autechre album?
jack wrote:
> chiastic means unpredictable or tempremental. so a chiastic slide
>
> That's stochastic, not chiastic. Stochastic means "of, or relating
to,
> or marked by conjecture" or "involving or containing a
random variable
> or variables." For example, in mathematics, stochastic processes.
stochastic would definitely be unpredictable,
but not necessarily
tempremental. i'm fairly sure i've seen a definition of chiastic
somewhere and that that was it...
From: j-v <jvan@bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject:Re: new Autechre album?
> there is also an optic chiasm in the brain, which deals with
> vision...
The optic chiasm is a point in the optic
nerve
pathway where nerve fibers descended from our retinas
partially cross-over from one side of the head to the other.
The ganglion cell axons of the retina are divided into two sides
of equal proportion: the side closer to the nose (or nasal
side) and the one side opposite the nose (or temporal side).
All information seen by the inside,nasal
half of the retina
of the left eye crosses over to the right optic tract.
The right eye's nasal side retinal fibers crossover to
the left optic tract, in the same fashion. Thus, each eye,
much like the brain, has a left-side and right-side with
differing neural pathways.
The information seen by the outside,temporal
side of the retina
does not cross-over for either eye, thus retaining
ipsolateral processing pathways between eye and brain.
So from all points deriving from the
optic chiasm, all
sensory information in the left side of the world you
see is processed by the visual components residing in the
right side of the brain. And all sensory info in the right
side of the world you see is processed by the left side of
the brain. (See Diagram below)
So a chiastic slide might be interpreted
as a re-routing
of signal/information from one side to another or the
maintaining of same-side pathways, its destination mainly
based on where positionally it was first perceived by our
sensory systems.
Anyways, I can't wait for that new Ae
album myself.....
From: Skip and Cynthia Acuff <acuff@home.com>
Subject: Re: Autechre: what next?
The last track on Incunabula indeed rules. Someone on one of the lists
long ago said that Ae's music is sometimes godlike. This track and the
last track on Chiastic Slide and the second track on Tri Repetae . . .
Any other nominations??
From: Don Muerte <donmuert@ix.netcom.com>
I, personally have always swooned when I hear Foil.
From: -peng- <secondpeng**remove**this**@bigfoot.com>
second peng. Hence my name.
From: S.J.Hettinga@lr.tudelft.nl (Sybren)
I don't know much about Autechre releases, but are the "Basscad"
EP
and "Flutter" EP available on cd?
From: Andrew Utting <aksen@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
yes, but theres only 5 tracks on the CD version iirc, while the 3x10"
has
6 tracks, plus the vinyl version came in a coolo cardboard box. third
best ae release in my books after the "garbage" ep and "envane".
: and "Flutter" EP available on cd?
flutter is on the "anti" ep
which is available on CD.
From: eric@the.satanic.org (El Sysadmin Invisible)
Subject: Re: Autechre: what next?
hussies maul worm kit wrote:
] yes. actually there is no "flutter"
ep...but i assume you mean the
] "anti" ep which has the track "flutter" on it. one
or both may be out of
] print though...
Still in print. I ordered mine from warp-net
cause I got sick of hunting
them down. Got Cichlisuite, Envane and Anti, plus squarepusher's
burningn'n'tree and Vic Acid all at one go. Took me a month to take
all that in, though.
From: rawbe@aol.com (RAWBE)
Subject: Re: Autechre: what next?
> Any other nominations??
I have to say I still like the Garbage36
track (don't have the cd handy so this
is not the exact title) from Tri Repatae. There is something incredible
about
the distance between certain sounds in that track. They are spaced in
such a
way that you only hear them as a melody if you concentrate on it. You
actually
have to construct this line together in your head deliberately (which
I suppose
means that this track is not very ambient BTW). I find Autechre is often
playing right on the edge of how humans can perceive patterns out of sound.
Chiastic Slide is the best overall example so far of this, but I have
a thing
for that Garbage track!
From: -peng- <secondpeng**remove**this**@bigfoot.com>
> I find Autechre is often
> playing right on the edge of how humans can perceive patterns out
of sound.
> Chiastic Slide is the best overall example so far of this, but I
have a thing
> for that Garbage track!
I have to agree there. Read something, for example, about how Ae
recorded a track (unsure what) but had to mono up all the bass cos the
needle jumped off the record when it was in stereo. Fine, but humans
can't properly distinguish direction with low frequency sound... So
perhaps if you listened dead close, you might notice stereo bass, but
you'd have to concentrate - nice experiment that didn't work.
Also it's nice the way that they contain
so many 'subtle' patterns that
you have to listen for to realise it's a pattern. Best example from
memory is the way rettic ac changes from patternless static to a
patterned sound... if you concentrate you can hear patterns closer and
closer to the start of the track...